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Sunday, September 26, 2010

Government censors @ it again - Big Nanny Government is not looking out for your best interest, only their own special interest




Government censors @ it again - Big Nanny Government is not looking out for your best interest, only their own special interest


Government censors @ it again - Big Nanny Government obviously never wants anyone ever going off their cash cow mind control drugs. It's bad enough that our corrupted government representatives take buckets full of cash from the pharmaceutical industry while green lighting and turning a blind eye toward the pharmaceutical industry's ongoing crime spree and fraud campaign costing America not just countless billions in Tax Dollars; but our Government is also taking an active roll in destroying the health and quality of life for millions upon millions of American Citizens including our most precious resource "the children".

The government and their appointed political shills make no secret regarding their corrupt ways by actively censoring alternitive messages and shielding the truth from the American public using your tax dollars to do it.

Of course you wouldn't have to look far to see this blatant corruption in action; just peer toward your politicized and corrupt FDA. You can see clearly how the FDA is nothing much more than a rubber stamp mechanism and firewall shill for the pharmaceutical industry to use in their drug cartel marketing and legal defense efforts. We have seen with great regularity how they refuse to remove dangerous drugs from the market place like Avandia, and continue to do very little to protect the health and safety of American citizens from harmful drugs and products until the death toll mountain becomes so high in human carnage that no one can not ignore the catastrophic problems any longer.


The evidence is now undeniable and forever mounting that we as a nation and people are now experiencing an historical ethical, moral, and criminal corporate crisis in America that only we the people can overt with our unbridled voices and direct actions made in grand expediency and unwavering courage.

The time when we could look to our leaders in government, regulatory bodies, policing bodies, and our courts for righteous and just interdiction upon the peoples behest has now passed with our citizens living with ferment dismay, deepening distrust, and ongoing sadness for where we have been shamefully taken by those who have violated with total disregard their sacred public oath, while abandoned all the principles of a constitutional republic for which we stand.

Today I will present just two small examples of what our government is not doing to represent your best interest. You can then do your own research and surely multiply these examples a thousand fold if you were only willing to look honestly while not turning away blindly with idol complacency from your sworn responsibility as a citizen bound together in your duty and oath to our constitutional republic.



Our Government Censoring an alternative and important message from a supposed government funded conference and alternative health forum?

http://tinyurl.com/29d58tv


and related back story link ---> Is Our Government Censoring Robert Whitaker and the Book "Anatomy of an Epidemic"

Trial Judge Tosses Medicaid Fraud Cases Because our Government Officials Are Allowing the Fraud to Continue.

http://bit.ly/ads0eV


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I would ask you ponder the adverse consequences we all face when our government gets to decide what messages you get to hear and which ones are buried. When our government selectively decides what crimes they will pro sue or prosecute, and which ones they will turn a blind eye upon.

It's your freedom, you can allow it to be tossed away for ever by simply doing nothing.

Posted by Stan at 8:56 AM 2 comments
Labels: Big Brother, Big Nanny, Big Pharma, Corruption

Thursday, September 23, 2010

FDA Red Flag Raising Ceremony held up by angry Pharmaceutical CEO protesters

FDA Red Flag Raising Ceremony held up by angry Pharmaceutical CEO Protesters

The FDA has raised a red safety flag up their pole and sang "where are my Blue Suede Shoes" in Falsetto on JaxoProfitKlined's Cantfinditvirus vaccine Rinotrax. The agency is reporting that preliminary data from a new study indicates that the vaccine could raise the risk of preconceptionordoofaseen, a potentially lethal behavioral problem that can block or twist the delicate brain chemical imbalance now determined as a made-up high risk in otherwise normal infants.

Approved two years ago by regulators that are still counting their payola money while keeping a close blinded eye on Rinotrax, which is given to infants at the ages of two and four months to guard them against preconceptionordoofaseen illness.

An increased rate of preconceptionordoofaseen forced competitor Pharmaceutical Giant DoorfinWryeth to pull a fast one with a separate vaccine they were still marketing relentlessly in the wee late morning hours after an expensive all night drinking bender.

The new study, which was mounted in the dilapidated slums with desperate starving children in 3rd World Country's, was designed to shed a burred light on the risk of preconceptionordoofaseen and keep the never ending flow of blood dollars rolling in.

In fact JPK itself is conducting a post-marketing safety study in orphanages and among foster children in the U.S. to check something almost related to the same safety issue that they must by all means dispel. JPK responded to the FDA's report by stating that it "remains confident in the profitability of Rinotrax and is committed to the highest standards of profit safety."


In other related News; JPK won continued market approval of their block buster blood sugar killer Vainbust after some disheartening news from European regulatory bodies that have subverted blatant/repeated attempts at bribery pressure while giving Vainbust an early sales death penalty. JPK has vowed to dig up infamous attorney Johnny Cockroach from his grave to lead an appeal legal effort saying "if the pill doesn't quit, and the profits fit, then you must acquit"





Other disturbing industry rumors -

  • FDA #pullsanAstraZeneca - a tragic love story of corruption & money coming 2 a pharmacy near U - starring Britney Spears as Margaret Hamburg
  • FDA request regulatory authority over all bullets sold in America - health concern risk over lead content in those shot dead
  • Avandia - latest sneak preview of new ad: http://yfrog.com/jq88357914j
Posted by Stan at 9:39 AM 0 comments
Labels: humor satire

Monday, September 20, 2010

How to stop pharmaceutical corporate criminals? How about some enforcement that hurts




How to stop pharmaceutical corporate criminals? How about some real enforcement that hurts

We have known for sometime that the pharmaceutical industry have been running a criminal mob syndicate that looks at the enforcement measures now being employed by our government, DOJ, and courts as nothing much more than a single small flea hindrance amidst a growing heard of hungry grazing buffalo.

Deplorable Crimes against American citizens and our broken medical system are constantly met with small fines/penalties and as PR annoyances that are treated as just the small normal cost of conducting their criminal businesses as usual. bmj.com writes about this in the following article while exploring some possible solutions. As a vivid watcher of this unfolding catastrophe for some time now, I seriously question when or if any of these coined solutions will ever be truly implemented in actual reality before it's far to late. Talk tends to be a cheap and a futile substitute in government and regulatory circles, when immediate action is required.

I would have to say the analogy at the end of this article comes closest to an actual solution and end to this corporate crime wave sweeping over American like an historical tsunami of biblical proportions. Anywise, I found this article a good read and thought provoking journalism well worth sharing here. I'm sending a hat tip out to pharmagossip for bringing my attention to this interesting article linked to here --->http://post.ly/yjso


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Bitter pills for drug companies -- bmj.com

After criticism that massive fines are failing to dissuade drug companies from engaging in fraudulent business practices, the US government is turning to more radical enforcement measures. Melanie Newman reports

It was the biggest fine ever imposed in America, the largest health-care fraud settlement in Department of Justice history, and the largest civil fraud settlement ever paid by a drug company. It was, said Kevin Perkins, assistant director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s criminal investigative division “a clear message” to drug companies that they would not be allowed to “peddle their prescriptions or products for uses beyond their intended—and federal government-approved—purpose.”

Pfizer had just agreed to be fined a record $2.3bn (£1.5bn; €1.8bn) for illegally promoting four drugs—valdecoxib, ziprasidone, linezolid, and pregabalin—for uses that the US Food and Drug Administration had not approved.1 The company was also accused of paying incentives or “kickbacks” to doctors to prescribe the drugs, a charge that was also resolved under the terms of the settlement. Both practices are considered fraudulent in the US, because they mean government healthcare programmes are paying for drugs that may not work effectively or are unnecessary.

On the day after the fine was announced, the New York Times pointed out that $2.3bn amounted to less than three weeks of Pfizer’s sales. And US authorities admitted that Pfizer was illegally marketing its drugs at the same time as it was negotiating settlement terms for a similar, previous offence.

Repeat offending and unenforceable penalties

In 2004 Pfizer agreed to pay $420m to settle charges that its newly acquired subsidiary, Warner-Lambert, had marketed an epilepsy drug, gabapentin, for unapproved purposes. The company’s lawyers assured prosecutors that Pfizer and all its subsidiaries would cease this practice immediately. But at the same time its sales representatives were marketing the anti-inflammatory drug valdecoxib, which was approved for arthritis and menstrual pain, for other, unapproved conditions.

And Pfizer is not alone in failing to change its behaviour in response to large fines. AstraZeneca paid out $520m in 2010 to settle civil charges of illegally marketing its anti-psychotic drug quetiapine. Seven years earlier it had been fined $355m for criminal and civil charges relating to the same offence—this time involving the prostate cancer drug gosarelin.

So why are the fines not working? Critics argue that for the multibillion dollar drug industry, even such hefty fines are not hard pills to swallow. The penalties, they say, are treated as just another cost of doing business. Worse, as the companies make up their lost profits by hiking future drug prices, it is actually the public that ends up paying for them.

Patrick Burns, communications director at the campaigning organisation Taxpayers Against Fraud, which helps whistleblowers to expose fraud against the government, complains that the fines have had little effect beyond “moving a few numbers on the New York stock exchange.” Pfizer made around $180bn out of the 12 drugs that were the subject of the federal investigation, he points out. “They paid $2.3bn—that’s a good business plan.”

He adds: “We’re shooting 22s—little bullets —into the arse of a rhino. They’re roaring a little, running a little, and then they’re going back to business. If we’re going to affect change, we have to increase the calibre of the bullet.”

By settling the case, and thereby avoiding criminal conviction by a court, Pfizer also side stepped a rule that companies convicted of major fraud against the government should be barred from working for government programmes. Under a section of the US Social Security Act that came into force in 1996, any organisation convicted of healthcare fraud at state or federal level must be excluded from Medicare and state healthcare programmes. The law is one of a series of statutes introduced to strengthen the Department of Health’s ability to punish fraud.

Although Pfizer settled the case, the government could still have debarred the company. But the company’s lawyers managed to wriggle free of these commercially damaging restrictions. A Pfizer subsidiary was permitted to plead guilty to the criminal charges, leaving the parent company free to continue working for the government.

Mr Burns says that “The problem with that portion of the law is that Pfizer’s too big to fail. There are too many people that use Pfizer drugs.”

Lewis Morris, chief lawyer at the US Department of Health and Human Services, suggests that’s true. “A big drug company hires tens of thousands of people, provides life saving drugs, it’s a critical component of the health system. Cutting them out of the market and depriving patients of drugs, putting a lot of innocent employees on the street—that’s not a very attractive option.”

New sanctions

But all this could be about to change, with major consequences for the drug industry. The government, reveals Mr Morris, is now turning to more radical measures that will make the stock market and the shareholders sit up.

“In the drug industry we have a case that is moving to final resolution where we are going to be requiring a subsidiary, and all its assets, to be sold off to a third party,” he says. “The parent company can no longer own that part of the company.”

It’s a radical move but one that the department has used before in a different area. In 2006 the Tenet Healthcare chain settled several civil fraud allegations for $900m. “We found that in two different instances a particular hospital had paid kickbacks to doctors and had provided medically unnecessary cardiac services to patients. As part of resolving the allegations with the parent company, those two hospitals had to be sold off to an independent third party,” Mr Morris says.

“Five years ago [before the Tenet case] people would have said you’re never going to get a hospital [chain] to sell off an asset, you’re never going to be able to force that kind of change.”

Confiscation of the company’s patents is another penalty under consideration. If a company abuses a patent by marketing a drug for a purpose it has not be approved or tested for, why should it continue to benefit from the exclusivity that you get as a brand name?” Mr Morris asks.

The company would be allowed to keep the drug but it would have to compete as a generic. “That would have an enormous impact on the financial bottom line, and we think it would probably cause some of these executives to think twice about illegally marketing drugs.”

Accountability

Even this, argues Burns, will not be enough unless executives are held personally accountable for their companies’ wrongdoing. “The pain has to be personal,” says Mr Burns. “The US invaded Iraq for regime change, we invaded Afghanistan for regime change, we took over General Motors and forced a change at the top of the company … it’s time we started to force a change at the top of certain healthcare corporations. We need to say: get rid of your chief executive, your finance officer, your compliance officer, or you are done with us.”

Mr Morris says the department is planning to make more use of a strict liability rule to hold executives to account. He explains: “This responsible corporate official doctrine will allow us to go to a chief executive and say ‘I don’t even need to have proof that you specifically hatched this scheme. You could have stopped it. You had the responsibility and the authority to stop it and you didn’t, so you have to leave the company.”

Executives found guilty will be banned from working for the state, and their sacking could be a condition of the company’s negotiated settlement.

Officials have already used this approach in a handful of cases. In 2007 the president, chief legal officer, and former chief medical officer of drug company Purdue Frederick pleaded guilty to charges of misbranding prescription painkiller OxyContin (modified release oxycodone) as part of a $634.5m settlement after the company had claimed that the drug was less addictive and less likely to be abused than rival medications.

“That was strict liability—they did not admit to any personal engagement in the fraudulent conduct,” Mr Morris says. “Nonetheless, they were convicted of misdemeanour and excluded from our programme for 12 years.”

Consumer advocates have called for executives to be given jail terms. But Mr Morris argues that the criminal burden of proof is hard to meet. In white collar crime responsibility for illegal acts is usually spread across many individuals at all levels in the organisation: there is rarely one person who has made a critical decision on which the prosecutors can hang their case.

Another of the department’s relatively new lines of attack is to pursue individual doctors suspected of receiving kickbacks from industry in return for prescribing or using certain practices.

“A kickback can be as crass as twenty dollar bills in an envelope or something more subtle—perhaps putting the doctor on an advisory committee where she doesn’t do any work but gets paid $20 000 or taking the doctor on all expenses paid trip to Phoenix, Arizona, in the winter,” Mr Morris says.

The medical profession is waking up to its responsibilities here. This July, Harvard Medical School banned its faculty from accepting industry sponsored travel and meals and from giving sponsored speeches. And in March, Stanford University extended its conflict policy to ban all adjunct faculty (volunteer teaching staff) from participating in drug company speakers’ bureaus.

But enforcement is equally important, Morris says. And although the department has traditionally focused on the company offering the kickback, it is now turning its attention to the recipients—the doctors.

When a company is charged with paying kickbacks to doctors, the authorities won’t accept a settlement unless the company cooperates with a secondary investigation into the doctors concerned.

“The company has to turn over the call notes . . . we’ll know which doctors said to a drug rep, ‘If you don’t give me that $50 000 consulting agreement I’m moving all my artificial hip patients to your competitor,’” says Mr Morris.

The Department of Health’s Office of the Inspector General, where Mr Morris is chief counsel, has the right to impose a $50 000 penalty for every kickback received plus three times the amount of the kickback and exclude the doctor from working for the state again.

Like drug companies, doctors usually settle the cases rather than allow them to continue to the exclusion stage. They still have to pay a substantial fine, but the department monitors their behaviour rather than throwing them out of state programmes.

This February Florida based surgeon Harvey Montijo agreed to pay $650 000 after the Department of Health and Human Services alleged he “solicited and received remuneration in the form of consulting payments from two medical device manufactures in exchange for using their orthopedic hip and knee products.”

Will this combination of new measures convince companies, executives, and doctors that illegal behaviour is just too risky, even though the profits to be made are so huge?

It’s too soon to tell, as many of the fines currently being dished out are for offences that happened four or five years ago. But Mr Burns isn’t convinced the deterrent is strong enough yet.

“In medieval times people used to put the bodies of criminals in cages and hang them to rot outside the town,” he says. “You would see the bones and you’d know that if you committed a crime there, you weren’t going to be slapped around, you were going to be done. That’s the message we need to send to the people who are green-lighting the fraud, who think that fraud is a good business plan.”

Posted by Stan at 10:40 AM 0 comments
Labels: Big Pharma, Corruption

Sunday, September 19, 2010

New York Times - Diagnosis by Reporting - The New and Improved Insanity




New York Times - Diagnosis by reporting - The New & Improved Insanity - They actually call this News

The camouflage marketing of mental illness never seems to abate as today's article in the New York Times appears to evidence. Whether it be the New DSM-V reaching into every aspect of the human condition for mental illness labels to market, or NAMI's message that mental illness is a serious brain chemical imbalance that is a life long disease that must be treated with powerful psychotropic drugs or you will die, or TAC ( Treatment Advocacy Center) sending out their fear mongering messages of how dangerous mentally ill labeled individuals are in a never ending scheme to pass force drugging/commitment laws across America effecting large segments of our population with curtailment of their basic constitutional rights and principles. It always the same target and message in the end that markets false disease which leads directly to the marketing of psychotropic drugs.

I'm sure you have read or come across some of this misleading rhetoric and much ballyhooed headlines related to mental illness with a new gene discovered, postpartum mental disease, brain chemical might suggest something in this or that study points to illness origin, active questioning or high spirited normal children now ADHD, ADD, Temper defiant disorder, with 40% being Bipolar, depressed preschoolers under or undiagnosed with mental illness need treatment with anti-psychotics, aggressive preemptive drug treatment for those that might be predisposed or determined toward mental disorders, Bipolar or Schizophrenic Children 600% increased, more money needed for American Mental Health Crisis, Natural Disaster sparks mental health crisis, Police shoot crazed mentally ill man with such and such label, and many other similar misleading headlines that go on and on endlessly.

In fact those out there working with big pharma front pseudo advocacy organizations protesting most against stigma and labels, are in all reality doing the worst job of lessening the adverse effects attributed to those very labels. The reality of our times is the vast majority of those that are coined mentally ill with label are not mentally ill at all. They have either been sucked into a massive misinformation and marketing campaign or personally have decided it was easier to take on a label as an excuse for their situation and human emotions, than take life by the horns and live it with an attitude of individual responsibility.

Some have the audacity to call me anti psychiatry and so much worse (LMAO), when in fact I don't deny that some serious mental health conditions do exist that are not being effectively treated in today's greed and market driven mental health modality. We as a society, and especially a nation have become a culture of hypochondriacs in a futile effort to avoid the reality of our situations and times. We have been taught to look at the maladies within each of ourselves through a disease model, instead of looking toward are leaders and market driven forces taking us all down a devastating social and economic road of no return.

To clarify, I'm am against forced drugging, the incarceration and criminalization of mental illness, against misinformation campaigns, against bad medicine, against false science, and am against corporate front advocacy organizations. I am against demeaning labels and disease mongering especially when done solely for profiteering and status. I am for humane care, patient dignity, equal opportunity for those with serious health issues. I believe in "first do no harm". I believe we should not use misleading and unproven pathogenic origin to explain basic human emotions and conditions. We should allow children to be children, promote responsible & better parenting, and not stifle children into hopelessness and forever damaged disability or worse through pharmacological means.

In fact, if you don't feel some form of nagging depression or overt angry feelings about the institutionalized crimes being perpetrated out in the open upon the vast majority of citizens in America, and then are being excused with regularity by our corrupted supposed leaders, then I would strongly purpose you may in all actually have a truly incurable moral/ethical condition that can only be treated with the collapse of our Constitutional Republic while going on to live under extreme unrelenting cruel corporate tyranny.

Now onto the story about a supposed genius diagnosed as ???? mentally ill by a newspaper.

Ask your self this question as you read this piece: Do you want those like Einstein, future/current touted geniuses, or even those high spirited individuals that are willing to question the limits and boundaries of the deemed norm; drugged into a box out of existence just so they fit nicely into the twisted concept of what some in temporary power would say/rule is deemed acceptable?

Please pay close attention to these words: the person being written about here does not attest or speak to any mental health condition, it's the pundits spewing outrageous assumptions in this supposed news article.

I have assembled a series of photos depicting the New York Times Reporting and Editorial Staff hard at work preparing this following story


Damn I'm jealous of this successful guy, Maybe I'll call him crazy in my article


Obviously excited reporter hearing news of possible Pulitzer nomination for crazy crazy crazy good story

NY Times editor fact checking this article from mental health prospective


appears reporter is practicing some pertinent interview questions here for this story

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/business/19entre.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ref=business

Just Manic Enough: Seeking Perfect Entrepreneurs


Article by David Segal

Cambridge, Mass.

IMAGINE you are a venture capitalist. One day a man comes to you and says, “I want to build the game layer on top of the world.”

You don’t know what “the game layer” is, let alone whether it should be built atop the world. But he has a passionate speech about a business plan, conceived when he was a college freshman, that he says will change the planet — making it more entertaining, more engaging, and giving humans a new way to interact with businesses and one another.

If you give him $750,000, he says, you can have a stake in what he believes will be a $1-billion-a-year company.

Interested? Before you answer, consider that the man displays many of the symptoms of a person having what psychologists call a hypomanic episode. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual — the occupation’s bible of mental disorders — these symptoms include grandiosity, an elevated and expansive mood, racing thoughts and little need for sleep.

“Elevated” hardly describes this guy. To keep the pace of his thoughts and conversation at manageable levels, he runs on a track every morning until he literally collapses. He can work 96 hours in a row. He plans to live in his office, crashing in a sleeping bag. He describes anything that distracts him and his future colleagues, even for minutes, as “evil.”

He is 21 years old.

So, what do you give this guy — a big check or the phone number of a really good shrink? If he is Seth Priebatsch and you are Highland Capital Partners, a venture capital firm in Lexington, Mass., the answer is a big check.

But this thought exercise hints at a truth: a thin line separates the temperament of a promising entrepreneur from a person who could use, as they say in psychiatry, a little help. Academics and hiring consultants say that many successful entrepreneurs have qualities and quirks that, if poured into their psyches in greater ratios, would qualify as full-on mental illness.

Which is not to suggest that entrepreneurs like Seth Priebatsch (pronounced PREE-batch) are crazy. It would be more accurate to describe them as just crazy enough.

“It’s about degrees,” says John D. Gartner, a psychologist and author of “The Hypomanic Edge.” “If you’re manic, you think you’re Jesus. If you’re hypomanic, you think you are God’s gift to technology investing.”

The attributes that make great entrepreneurs, the experts say, are common in certain manias, though in milder forms and harnessed in ways that are hugely productive. Instead of recklessness, the entrepreneur loves risk. Instead of delusions, the entrepreneur imagines a product that sounds so compelling that it inspires people to bet their careers, or a lot of money, on something that doesn’t exist and may never sell.

So venture capitalists spend a lot of time plumbing the psyches of the people in whom they might invest. It’s not so much about separating the loonies from the slightly manic. It’s more about determining which hypomanics are too arrogant and obnoxious — traits common to the type — and which have some humanity and interpersonal skills, always helpful for recruiting talent and raising money.

Some V.C.’s have personality tests to help them weed out the former. Others emphasize their toleration of mild forms of mania, if only because starting a business is, on its face, a little nuts.

“You need to suspend disbelief to start a company, because so many people will tell you that what you’re doing can’t be done, and if it could be done, someone would have done it already,” says Paul Maeder, a general partner at Highland Capital. “There are six billion human beings on this planet, we’ve been around for hundreds of thousands of years, we’re a couple hundred years into the industrial revolution — and nobody has done what you want to do? It’s kind of crazy.”

He will explain the genesis of Scvngr, and offer a sort of guided tour of his mind, while sitting on a stool in his bare feet, wearing jeans and a Princeton T-shirt. A pair of Oakley sunglasses are perched, as they nearly always are, atop his head — part talisman, part personal branding.He is lean, smiley and partial to the word “awesome,” which he uses as a noun — as in “an extra dose of awesome.” He speaks quickly and with what sounds like a Canadian accent, which seems odd because he was raised in Boston.

He first pitched Scvngr as a freshman at Princeton, to a professor linked to an annual business plan contest open to undergraduates and graduates. “I told him I wanted to build the game layer on top of the world,” Mr. Priebatsch recalls. “And he didn’t say, ‘You’re insane.’ So I said, ‘And I want everyone in the world to help me build it.’”

This, apparently, has enormous implications. “If we can bring game dynamics to the world, the world will be more fun, more rewarding, we’ll be more connected to our friends, people will change their behavior to be better. But if this is going to work it has to be something that anyone can play and that everyone can build.”

But Mr. Priebatsch’s pitch has worked, at least by the standards of start-ups, most of which die in the blueprint phase. Part of the reason could be pinned on the investing and tech world’s raging case of Next Zuckerberg Syndrome — the urge to find another Mark Zuckerberg before he starts another Facebook.

But nobody inspires N.Z.S. without a promising idea, intelligence and a lot of charisma. Scvngr today has 60 employees, many of them veterans of very successful tech start-ups. As of December of last year, it also had $4 million from Google Ventures. Any list of the qualities that have netted all this talent and money should include Mr. Priebatsch’s quasirobotic work ethic. He does not socialize. He no longer reads books, nor does he watch TV or movies. He works from 8 a.m. until 10 p.m., seven days a week. He was reluctant to have a photographer visit for this article because he worried that it might distract employees.

Doesn’t he miss going to bars, just hanging out, being 21? Here’s where Mr. Priebatsch starts to sound like a teenage Vulcan.

THE hypomanic temperament is, of course, not limited to entrepreneurs. It’s found in politics (Theodore Roosevelt) the military (George S. Patton), Hollywood (the studio head David O. Selznick) and virtually any field where outsize risks yield enormous rewards.

But the business world has contributed more than its share of hypomanics, particularly the abusive, ornery kind. The most colorful of the breed was arguably Henry Ford.

“He epitomizes the unhinged, entrepreneurial spirit,” says Douglas G. Brinkley, a history professor at Rice University and author of “Wheels for the World,” a book about Mr. Ford and his company. “He became monomaniacal in his belief that the internal combustion engine should be fueled by gas, at a time when everything was electric, and nobody thought you could put gas on a hot motor.”

Nearly all conversations about contemporary hypomanics start with the Apple chief executive, Steven P. Jobs. Like Mr. Ford, he is a pitchman extraordinaire with a vaguely messianic streak, and, like Mr. Ford, he can anticipate what people will want before they even know they want it.

Mr. Jobs is also routinely described as a despot and control freak with a terrifying temper, says Leander Kahney, author of “Inside Steve’s Brain.”

Scholars in organizational studies tend to divide the world into “transformational leaders” (the group that hypomanics are bunched into, of course) and “transactional leaders,” who are essentially even-keeled managers, grown-ups who know how to delegate, listen and set achievable goals.

Both types of leaders need to rally employees to their cause, but entrepreneurs must recruit and galvanize when a company is little more than a whisper of a big idea. Shouting “To the ramparts!” with no ramparts in sight takes a kind of irrational self-confidence, which is perfectly acceptable, though it can also tilt into egomania, which is usually not.

“We have a grid personality scorecard, across 10 or 12 dimensions, attributes that are critical to success,” says Michael A. Greeley, a general partner at Flybridge Capital Partners in Boston.

The goal is to spot the really erratic characters, whom Mr. Greeley calls “rail to rail”:

“One day they get up and their favorite color is pink. The next day, it’s green. I’ve worked with hypomanics, and where I think it can be quite insidious — people like this turn on colleagues quickly. An employee could be an incredible contributor, and then, after one mistake, they are out of the lifeboat.”


Dr. Gartner, the author and psychologist, says he believes that hypomanics come by their disposition genetically. But it is hard to tease out what Norman and Suzanne Priebatsch — a biotech entrepreneur and a financial adviser at SmithBarney, respectively — bequeathed through their DNA and what they instilled in Seth and his older sister, Daniella Priebatsch, as they grew up.

Because chez Priebatsch sounds like boot camp for the brain.

“Seth has such a fertile mind; you just know that he’ll attract great people to the company,” he says, “and the ideas will continue to flow and morph until he finds something great.”

You also get the sense that Mr. Priebatsch won’t stop, even if Scvngr is a glorious triumph.

Great piles of money would not slow him down, either.

“I’m not anti-money,” he says. “I like nice bikes, I like nice computers. I like that money is a representation of success, but the actual entity itself is not interesting for me. There is little that I would want that I don’t have, and the things that I want money can’t buy.”

Like?

He doesn’t pause.

“I want to build the game layer on top of the world.”

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I encourage you to read the entire article at the link provided above: If those NAMI-ITE types are going to shout, jump up and down hollering about trivial things like "psycho-donuts" and mentally ill stuffed animals, they should be screaming from the top of mountains over this article.

But somehow I believe they will stay quiet as church mice. Why? This piece does little to promote how devastating mental illness is within their marketing model that is brought to you via those pharma funded life long disease mongering campaigns that must be treated with profitable drugs.

What this piece does do, is it continues to perpetuate false perceptions and misleading information about mental health issues. This is News?

for further reading and discussion @

NYTimes infers this 21 yr old genius entrepreneur is crazy, manic and uses DSM-slanted biased article

Posted by Stan at 8:28 AM 0 comments
Labels: disease mongering, NY Times

Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Forest Labs Pulls an AstraZeneca as the DOJ let's crime spree continue with another meaningless fine



Forest Labs Pulls an AstraZeneca as the DOJ "Department of Justice" let's crime spree continue with another meaningless fine to Pharmaceutical Drug Cartel Member pimping drugs to Kids

You may have picked up news reports about Forest Labs pleading guilty to drug marketing crimes including promoting a drug not approved by the FDA. Which is pretty crazy in itself, since the FDA will just about rubber stamp any drug if the right palms are greased to get a corrupted approval committee set in place. I guess Forest Labs decided it was more profitable to just bypass the whole rubber stamp process and go right after the profits. They know the fines they will incur is like a small drop in the bucket compared to the huge profits to be had promoting off label to kids. They also know their business model and massive profitability would go pretty much uneffected if and when they were caught. In fact none of their management team including the CEO have any inkling of fear related to criminal prosecution or jail time.

So once more a large pharmaceutical corporation subverts real justice and walks away with little more than a tiny slap on their balance sheet. The veil has been pretty much pulled away by now, as those elites in Washington DC politics and in the White House are up to their corrupted dirty necks in this nasty mire while still collecting large checks and influence money from the very criminals they are supposed to be prosecuting & protecting us from.

Maybe next time a police officer pulls you over for that speeding ticket or for talking on your cell phone you should remember to tell them your protected under the corporate umbrella of Big Pharma. They will probably get a stunned deer in the highlights glazed look coming across their face while walking back to their awaiting cruiser whimpering in shame. SURE, THAT WILL HAPPEN!

In fact when that next Tax bill comes along, just send a letter to the IRS saying you can't pay it this time, but your willing to sign an integrity agreement to pay next time around if that's OK. I wonder how lenient Uncle Sam would be with you Joe/Jane Citizen? YEAH RIGHT, You'd be singing those sad prison blues I'm afraid.

You might want to know this particular case dates back to the 1990's when the FDA knew all to well the shenanigans Forest Lab was pulling off. Yet, the FDA did nothing but send out a patented meaningless warning letter and did nothing else.

The FDA is worthless as a government agency or safety mechanism for the American people can get. It's time to stop throwing tax payer money at just another useless wasteful boondoggle. Time for the FDA and all their useless bureaucrats to hit the unemployment line permanently.

Don't you the American Citizen believe it's about time for some Pharmaceutical CEO's to spend serious time behind bars. I would ask if you think it's about time for the American public to demand that our government start protecting their citizens from a rampant corporate crime spree or get out of the way so we the people can do the job.


Is it just me, or are these two pictured below perfect evil twins?


Howard Solomon Forest Labs CEO

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Dr. Evil CEO of Evil Enterprise

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From Bloomberg news:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-15/forest-unit-agrees-to-plead-guilty-pay-313-million-in-levothroid-cases.html


Forest Unit Pleads Guilty to Marketing Thyroid Drug, Will Pay $313 Million

By William McQuillen - Sep 15, 2010 12:35 PM PT

A Forest Laboratories Inc. unit agreed to plead guilty to distributing its Levothroid thyroid drug before it was approved by the Food and Drug Administration and pay $313 million, the U.S. Department of Justice said.

The allegations also involved illegal promotion of Celexa for use in treating children and adolescents suffering from depression, the Justice Department said in a statement. The Forest Pharmaceuticals unit also agreed to settle allegations it caused false claims to be submitted to federal health care programs for Levothroid, Celexa and Lexapro.

The company will pay a $150 million criminal fine, will forfeit $14 million, and pay more than $149 million to settle the False Claims Act allegations, according to the statement.

“Forest Pharmaceuticals deliberately chose to pursue corporate profits over its obligations to the FDA and the American public,” U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz in Boston said in the statement. “The company knew that it did not have FDA approval to distribute Levothroid.”

Howard Solomon, chief executive officer of New York-based Forest Laboratories, said in a statement, “We are pleased to bring closure to this long-running investigation.”

“We remain dedicated to ensuring that we operate in full compliance with all laws and regulations, and that our employees uphold the highest principles of integrity, honesty and ethics,” he said.

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From Jim Edwards @ BNET http://bit.ly/cxM1wJ

$1,000 a Pop: How Forest Labs Bribed Doctors to Prescribe Antidepressants to Kids

Forest Labs (FRX) appears to have initially underestimated how much it needed to pay the feds to go away: In 2009, the company said it had set aside $170 million in case it needed to settle a Department of Justice investigation of the kickbacks it paid in its marketing of Celexa and Lexapro, two antidepressants. Today, the company paid $313 million to wrap up the probes.

Forest’s management is used to lavish spending, however, as the whistleblower complaints behind the settlement allege.

The meat of Forest’s wrongdoing is that the company promoted Celexa for children even though the FDA had specifically rejected the drug for kids, and even though European data showed it was not useful in youths. The company did something similar with Lexapro — one pharmaceutical sales rep recommended crushing up Lexapro into apple sauce in order to make it more palatable to children.

Forest overcame resistance to the pediatric use of its antidepressants by bribing doctors with cash and gifts, the lawsuits alleged. Among the goodies Forest handed out were:

  • Tickets to St. Louis Cardinals games.
  • A $1,000 certificate to Alain Ducasse, one of the best (and most expensive) restaurants in New York, according to this suit.
  • A trip to see a George Carlin concert. (They’re antidepressants and he’s funny, geddit?).
  • $1,000 in cash to attend dinner at the Doral Park Country Club in Miami.
  • A trip to the Great Escape amusement park in New York.
  • Tickets to The Nutcracker at the Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn, N.J., according to this suit.

The settlement, in which Forest pleads guilty to the accusations against it, also implies that one unnamed Forest executive lied to Congress in September 2004 — which is in itself a crime.

This is about the quality of Forest management’s decision-making. Given that Forest’s marketing plan required making false statements to a Congressional inquiry, it is perhaps not surprising that it also underestimated the size of its legal liabilities.

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And then more at soulful sepulcher

Pharma DOJ fines with multiple in-depth post

The US is constantly being duped, ripped off and mocked by the pharmaceutical industry. As taxpayers you should be outraged this is allowed to get this far. Just WHO watches over our health care for drug safety? How the hell does a drug get illegally marketed and sold for use to Medicaid providers before the drug was approved by the FDA? The FDA is worthless! ----

August 07, 2003

WARNING LETTER

Forest Laboratories, Inc. 07-Aug-03-Warning letter

August 07, 2003 WARNING LETTER CIN-03-16736 SENT VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Howard Solomon, Chief Executive Officer Forest Laboratories, Inc. 909 Third Avenue New York, NY 10022 Dear Mr. Solomon: This letter is in reference to the inspection of your finished pharmaceutical manufacturing plant, Forest Pharmaceuticals, Inc., located at 5000 Brotherton Road, Cincinnati, OH 45209, conducted on January 28 - February 20, 2003, and to your firm?s continued marketing of Levothroid? (levothyroxine sodium tablets, USP) without an approved application.
Levothyroxine sodium tablets are drugs within the meaning of Section 201 (g) and are new drugs within the meaning of Section 201(p) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act). New drugs may not be introduced in interstate commerce unless there is an approved application under the provisions of Section 505 on file with the Food and Drug Administration (the agency). AND We received a letter from Karl Fricke, Ph.D., Director of QC/QA, and Gregory Yurchak, Plant Manager, dated March 19, 2003, which was in response to the observations listed on the Form FDA-483 issued at the close of the inspection. The corrective actions offered in Mr. Fricke?s response were taken into account in preparing this letter. This letter is not intended to be an all-inclusive list of deficiencies at your facility. A copy of the Form FDA-483 is enclosed for your information. It is your responsibility to assure that all products distributed by your firm meet the requirements of the Act and its implementing regulations. We request that you notify this office in writing within 15 working days of receipt of this letter stating the action you will take to discontinue the marketing of your Levothroid? (levothyroxine sodium tablets, USP) drug products and to bring your other drug products into compliance. Your reply should include an estimate of the amount of Levothroid? that is in inventory under your control. Failure to achieve prompt correction may result in regulatory action without further notice. The Act provides for seizure of illegal products and/or injunction against the manufacturer and/or distributor of illegal products. Your reply should be sent to the attention of Charles S. Price, Compliance Officer, U.S. Food and Drug Administration, 6751 Steger Drive, Cincinnati, Ohio 45237. Any questions regarding this letter may be directed to Mr. Price at telephone (513) 679-2700 extension 165. Sincerely, /s/ Deborah Grelle
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Labels: doj, FDA - an ingrained culture of corruption and greed, Forest Labs

Friday, September 3, 2010

update- one more small victory - Emily Darguzhyte is now FREE


From MindFreedom - mindfreedom :

Alert helps free Emily Darguzhyte who was locked inside Western State Hospital

A 28-year-old woman from Lithuania, who has trouble with English, was being heavily forcibly drugged while held in extended ongoing involuntary lock-ups at the notorious Western State Hospital in the State of Washington. Her family and friends asked that she be released. MindFreedom issued the below alert. UPDATE 24 AUGUST 2010: THIS CAMPAIGN HAS WON! Emily was freed 24 August 2010.

Alert helps free Emily Darguzhyte who was locked inside Western State Hospital

Western State Hospital holds more than 800 psychiatric inmates, according to Ilene Le Vee, WSH Consumer Affairs.

UPDATE 24 August 2010: Activist Cindi Fisher reports that the below alert helped, and this campaign is a SUCCESS. Emily Darguzhyte is now FREE. She was released on 24 August and is now home with family and friends. Thank you in Lithuanian is Aciu! So aciu, everyone who took action in any way, it's appreciated.

I want to thank all those that became involved in Emily's situation and spoke out to make a difference. This is truly one small step taken for humanity and justice.

Posted by Stan at 6:01 PM 7 comments
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Wednesday, September 1, 2010

AstraZeneca given more time in Seroquel cases - Hangman reportedly goes on vacation


AstraZeneca given more time in Seroquel cases - Hangman reportedly goes on Vacation


AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals appears to be using more delay tactics in their billion dollar defense efforts to keep the vast majority of Seroquel damage suit trials from ever reaching a jury.

If you haven't noticed AstraZeneca has been in the news consistently for one sleazy practice after another. Now it appears that with a little influence in high places and buckets full of cash the American justice system is finally made in active proclamation that it is only designed to protect wealthy corporations with endless delays and frivolous motions in judges chambers. This while they continue profiteering at the tune of a estimated 5 billions dollars a year from a drug that has shown to damage and kill patients that ingest it.


If AstraZeneca or plaintiff legal firms are under any fantasy impression that injured plaintiffs are going to accept a insulting and trivial $11, 000 settlement for a life long adverse medical conditions caused by the Seroquel, they are having some serious delusional episodes and need some serious intervention in the form of a huge wake up call. Bloomberg News and Judge Conway might want to check with injured plaintiffs before making statements & continued rulings that delay justice and trials in these cases.


Let me put it out there as plain and simple as it can be said. The Supposed settlement being reported will be soundly rejected by the vast majority of injured plaintiffs in these cases. That means there is no settlement
. Dealing and negotiating with evil criminal corporations like AstraZeneca is paramount to having a sit down, chat, and tea with the devil himself.


All these supposed well sourced news outlets might want to stop taking the meaningless "word" of AZ's PR spin mouthpiece Tony Jewell or trust anything AstraZeneca says when reporting erroneous settlement offers and figure totals which amount to little more than bargaining bait and propaganda.

If one was to just glance at AstraZeneca's dubious track record, they might conclude they are running their legal efforts much like they run their drug operations, with a bunch more misleading/deceptive marketing schemes and perpetual dangerous lies.


In reading this news below I would have to say something doesn't smell quite right around this litigation, and this isn't passing the gut check test using even the furthest stretches of one's most forgiving imagination.


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AstraZeneca Given More Time to Settle 6,000 Seroquel Lawsuits

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-01/astrazeneca-given-more-time-to-settle-6-000-seroquel-lawsuits.html

By Jef Feeley

Sept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- AstraZeneca Plc was given more time to settle 6,000 lawsuits claiming its antipsychotic drug Seroquel causes diabetes after a group of judges decided not to send the cases back to their home courts for trials.

The U.S. Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation yesterday vacated orders sending the cases, consolidated in federal court in Florida, in courts across the U.S. after a judge said the move might hinder settlement negotiations. London-based AstraZeneca has settled about two-thirds of the 26,000 Seroquel cases pending against it.

“A remand at this juncture would likely disrupt the settlement dialog,” U.S. District Judge Anne Conway, based in Orlando, Florida, said in an Aug. 30 order asking the judicial panel to forgo remands. Returning the cases could “stall negotiations altogether,” Conway said.

AstraZeneca officials said they would continue to work with a mediator to resolve the remaining lawsuits over Seroquel.

“We remain committed to a strong defense effort, but will continue to participate in the court-ordered mediation process,” Tony Jewell, a U.S. spokesman for the drugmaker, said in an interview yesterday

AstraZeneca, the U.K.’s second-biggest drugmaker, still faces at least 8,000 cases in both state and federal courts alleging Seroquel causes diabetes in some users. The drugmaker won the first jury trial over those claims in state court in New Jersey in March.

$11,000 Payouts

Seroquel, with sales of $4.9 billion last year, is the company’s second-biggest seller after the ulcer treatment Nexium. AstraZeneca trails only London-based GlaxoSmithKline Plc among U.K. drug companies.

AstraZeneca officials said last month that they agreed to pay about $198 million to settle 17,500 suits over Seroquel. Those accords provide average payouts of about $11,000 for former users of the drug.

Having the 6,000 cases go back into the court-ordered mediation process won’t improve the chances they will settle at those prices, said Ken Bailey, a Houston-based lawyer who represents former Seroquel users in most of those suits.

“I’ll participate in the mediation process and either they will be settled or they won’t, but in my opinion, they won’t be settled” if AstraZeneca continues to offer only $11,000 a case, Bailey said.

Michael Kelly, a Wilmington, Delaware-based lawyer for AstraZeneca who serves as the drugmaker’s lead negotiator in the settlements, didn’t return a call for comment on the remand or settlement talks.

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Related reading & links:

The Seroquel story is one of deception for profit - AstraZeneca is committed to a strong defense effort to battle lawsuits for diabetes:Seroquel it's about money not your health - http://tinyurl.com/39v574r

Organized Pharmaceutical Corporate Crime - crimes including murder masked as medicine for profit - http://tinyurl.com/26kcjo3

how AstraZeneca stacks the deck and deals the deadly cards to the public - Carl Elliott MD - Howard Brody on NPR radio discussing AstraZeneca Seroquel drug trial causing needless death - http://tinyurl.com/2wrjw9t

dougbremner in Video clip discussing the case of MA v Riley, psychotropic med (including high dose of Seroquel) related death of 4 year old. http://bit.ly/bQp7d4
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    Glad this was not the Golden Pond Award. I would like to thank Koda and Stephany for this Honor

    share the love award

    share the love award
    Hope this doesn't lead to cheap meaningless sex?

    I believe this is some type of cooking award

    I believe this is some type of cooking award
    Julia Child Eat Your Heart Out - Thanks Herrad

    I guess this is because I'm so Damned Pretty

    I guess this is because I'm so Damned Pretty
    Thank you Herrad

    Thinking blogger award

    Thinking blogger award
    Definately a mistake, but again it looks good

    I'm sure this was either a mistake or a black rock heart wasn't available

    I'm sure this was either a mistake or a black rock heart wasn't available
    Thank You Herrad

    Not sure what this award is for?

    Not sure what this award is for?
    But who doesn't like cute puppies and kittens

    Flower Smeller Award

    Flower Smeller Award
    I wasn't sure if I would be pushing up daisy's after accepting this one, but then worms need to eat too!

    Thank You Stephany

    arteypico award

    arteypico award
    Still looks like a nice bowling trophy to me?

    I Want My Mummie Award 2009 - Thank You Herrad

    I Want My Mummie Award 2009 - Thank You Herrad
    This is as a small mark of my immense apprecation for Stan's brilliant wit and repartee. Quote from Herrad: "You are however much too modest for a man of your talents which sparkle like jewels in the treasure chest that is Stan."

    Powerful Words Award

    Powerful Words Award
    Susan writes - Stan at Is there something wrong- for having (at least in his blog) the largest set of brass ones I've ever seen to tackle what he tackles, without any sugar coating and using only spell check.

    An Honest Award

    An Honest Award

    Lemonade Award

    Lemonade Award
    I believe five cents and a little common sense advice would ring better! But what the Heck; I'll feed my ego with another award

    Brillant Blog Award

    Brillant Blog Award
    I'm absolutely sure they got me mixed up with someone else, but what the heck, it looks good!

    Reality Orientation Test

    do you know where your rubber ducky is right now?

    The Official - WHAT THE F__K AWARD

    The Official - WHAT THE F__K AWARD
    this award is earned, not given!

    this is the official "what the F--K Award"

    This award represents all the victims of Big Pharma, poor regulation and corruption by the FDA, Bad psychiatry being practiced everywhere, and those clowns at Harvard and Stanford that actually think they know better. This award is free to anyone that believes the mental health system is horribly broken and will no longer tolerate the abuse. This award stands for everyone with mental health disorders to hold on to their dignity, hope, and the pride of self determination. It is also a tribute to all those that have been abused, broken, and executed by an elite few for the sole purpose of money grabbing, greed, and power.

    Unofficial DSM5 Diagnostic Criteria

    The Top 13 Reasons why you might have a Constitutional disorder:

    13. Some Greed Mongering Psychiatrist cherry picked the DSM myth, and a label was branded on your forehead.
    12. You wake up in the middle of the night, and go straight to your computer to read the latest blog news at "soulful sepulcher", and other favorite blogs before you can pee and go back to bed.
    11. Your just recovering from your second bankruptcy and have a Great Barbie, Coke Bottle, and Muffit collection to prove it.
    10. You think Robin Williams should perk up.
    9. You bought the Kenny G, and Berry Manilow box set just because.
    8. You think going to bed on Monday and getting up on Friday is a good rest.
    7. What do you mean you're tired—I had only 3 orgasms!
    6. You can not remember number 7 when the Mother Ship is over your home.
    5. You know the names of at least seven antidepressants, fifteen mood stabilizers, and all the anti-psychotic drugs in alphabetically order by both generic and brand name.
    4. Your cat's name is Prozac and your dog's name is Seroquel.
    3. You bring your own detailed research to the doctor's which she/he hasn't even read in the latest medical journels yet. So you end up with a bad script and a new drug rep pen instead
    2. You think a drive from Vancouver, BC to Miami is something to do in two days.
    And the Number One reason you may be depraved is:
    1. Last night you understood the secrets to the universe and this morning you are contemplating whether the jam goes on top of the peanut butter or under it.

    THE BAD GUYS WE NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR LIST

    • Big Pharma - the list goes on and on, as do thier abuses
    • FDA - in bed with big Pharma and not protecting the people it's thier swore duty to do so
    • Major University Doctors and researchers taking huge dollars from big Pharma to lie to us all
    • NAMI - Big bucks from Big Pharma - So who are they really advocating for?
    • The DSM - used over and over again to abuse the mentally ill, funded and influenced by who else! Big Pharma
    • APA - a political organzation masking itself as a professional body
    • The government itself - they have been lobbied into submission and no longer are looking out for the people

    False Diagnosis and the Drugs? or Alien?

    False Diagnosis and the Drugs? or  Alien?
    This is not another "Oh Sh-T" moment, is it? Hope I remembered to pack some condoms and single malt scotch before any prolonged abduction

    who will rule after man destroys themselves
     
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